ARRGHHHH, GIRL, I could trade comments on this post with you about all this stuff forever!
I'm honored that this deeply affected you--it deeply affected me, as well, completely flipped over my whole view of the show, in a GOOD way. I feel like I was watching from the outside looking in, and after writing and posting this and the fic, I'm back inside the flow and really experiencing it like these guys are myself, which is how I love Show to be and how it was before I started watching S8.
S9 DID BLOW ME AWAY BECAUSE HOLY CRAP, IT'S LIKE A MIRROR OF ALL THIS, and that's also partly why I feel so much better about where Show is going, because I GET IT now. And I LIKE it! I love where they're going with it. I feel like there are so many issues that were hinted at in earlier seasons (particularly about Sam and what he really wants) that Carver has picked up and is now following up on, and they happen to all be issues I was really into and wanted desperately to see more about, so I COULD NOT BE MORE DELIGHTED.
Glad I posted this post before the ep aired so I can say, "Yes, I really did come up with all this before 9.01, I'm not just parroting back what I saw in the ep!"
(Oy, and you know what else was really nice about 9.01 is that Sam finally gets some damn kudos for all he's sacrificed and accomplished!! Dean's all "you screw everything up," but Death says, "Well done," and Bobby says it too, and FINALLY!!)
I LOVE everything you say about "Do we know what music he likes, do we know what he puts in his room" because YES, Dean is loyal and devoted, but does he even know the person he thinks he's so devoted to?? I love this especially because I've lived this (that's why I so love Princess Tutu, too--those themes and archetypes are a rare but real life experience I've had, which is partly why it bewilders me when people describe Tutu as "silly," because damn, that show goes DEEP into SERIOUS BIZNESS), I've struggled with people who were loyal and devoted and dedicated to an IDEA of me but left the real me and what I really wanted behind.
I agree with you that it's dogged and OTT on purpose, and in fact, I want to say that writing this meta and the related fic actually brought me to a point where I love S8! Well ... to a degree. I'm not gonna go back and watch "Torn and Frayed" ever again as long as I live any time soon, and I do think they could have done things a little more ... subtly or realistically or something, but then again, now the OTT-ness seems to work for what they're going for, somehow. I guess I just had to get all this stuff off my chest and really dig deep into the issues and explore it all before I could figure out where they're going with everything S8 and beyond.
Sam is the one that pulls away from the strange and the supernatural, Sam is the one that tries to be his own person and build up his own life, Sam is the one who constantly fails.
I love this, and it's making me want to write another meta post about the question of Sam's failure, because I never thought of him as failing, though the show does and Dean does and you do and most people seem to, and I guess I need to explore it for myself.
hee, shipper giggles. :-D No sense pretending it ain't part of the show's rich tapestry ....
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I'm honored that this deeply affected you--it deeply affected me, as well, completely flipped over my whole view of the show, in a GOOD way. I feel like I was watching from the outside looking in, and after writing and posting this and the fic, I'm back inside the flow and really experiencing it like these guys are myself, which is how I love Show to be and how it was before I started watching S8.
S9 DID BLOW ME AWAY BECAUSE HOLY CRAP, IT'S LIKE A MIRROR OF ALL THIS, and that's also partly why I feel so much better about where Show is going, because I GET IT now. And I LIKE it! I love where they're going with it. I feel like there are so many issues that were hinted at in earlier seasons (particularly about Sam and what he really wants) that Carver has picked up and is now following up on, and they happen to all be issues I was really into and wanted desperately to see more about, so I COULD NOT BE MORE DELIGHTED.
Glad I posted this post before the ep aired so I can say, "Yes, I really did come up with all this before 9.01, I'm not just parroting back what I saw in the ep!"
(Oy, and you know what else was really nice about 9.01 is that Sam finally gets some damn kudos for all he's sacrificed and accomplished!! Dean's all "you screw everything up," but Death says, "Well done," and Bobby says it too, and FINALLY!!)
I LOVE everything you say about "Do we know what music he likes, do we know what he puts in his room" because YES, Dean is loyal and devoted, but does he even know the person he thinks he's so devoted to?? I love this especially because I've lived this (that's why I so love Princess Tutu, too--those themes and archetypes are a rare but real life experience I've had, which is partly why it bewilders me when people describe Tutu as "silly," because damn, that show goes DEEP into SERIOUS BIZNESS), I've struggled with people who were loyal and devoted and dedicated to an IDEA of me but left the real me and what I really wanted behind.
I agree with you that it's dogged and OTT on purpose, and in fact, I want to say that writing this meta and the related fic actually brought me to a point where I love S8! Well ... to a degree. I'm not gonna go back and watch "Torn and Frayed"
ever again as long as I liveany time soon, and I do think they could have done things a little more ... subtly or realistically or something, but then again, now the OTT-ness seems to work for what they're going for, somehow. I guess I just had to get all this stuff off my chest and really dig deep into the issues and explore it all before I could figure out where they're going with everything S8 and beyond.Sam is the one that pulls away from the strange and the supernatural, Sam is the one that tries to be his own person and build up his own life, Sam is the one who constantly fails.
I love this, and it's making me want to write another meta post about the question of Sam's failure, because I never thought of him as failing, though the show does and Dean does and you do and most people seem to, and I guess I need to explore it for myself.
hee, shipper giggles. :-D No sense pretending it ain't part of the show's rich tapestry ....