I was saying that if S2 had acknowledged that, and cast 2x21 as this moment where it specifically retailored that warning, expanded it to 'well, someone might have to do bad dark things in order to Save Same, whom you don't necessarily have to kill BUT you do have to decide whether you want to upset the balance of nature like that,' (which actually does have a lot of S2 resonance), that would have tied up better, and would have made these things thematically coherent.
Oh, okay. I thought you were saying they DID do that, and if they did, I certainly missed it, so I was confused. ;-)
Honestly, I don't agree with you about it being obvious that Dean wasn't going to kill Sam. I mean, yes, it was obvious to us at the time, because one of the two lead characters wasn't going to die (HA HA remember those days?), but it wasn't obvious to Dean. Well, it was obvious to Dean that he wouldn't kill Sam. But it wasn't obvious to Dean that it would never be an issue, that Sam would never go darkside. And if I remember my S2 right, Dean didn't come right out and say "you're not in danger of breaking bad." He just insisted that he would fix/save Sam. So for me, the tension was still there, and the warning didn't need to be retailored.
Anyway, in the context of B_L's fic I was saying that her emphasis on the part by bringing out these visions of Samifer, and by guiding John's obsession by making it in this fic very pointedly about trying to keep his son from that, and his trying to skirt the very full-frontal possibility of this 2014!verse alternate timeline, the fic gets back to that sentiment from the first half of S2 and reorients it in a way that I find useful in elaborating and rediscovering that particular thread of canon.
Yes, it is a good thing. I love the idea that John really knew what was in Sam's future, other than "he's going to be bad," and that he was specifically trying to prevent that.
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Date: 2014-01-09 03:19 pm (UTC)Oh, okay. I thought you were saying they DID do that, and if they did, I certainly missed it, so I was confused. ;-)
Honestly, I don't agree with you about it being obvious that Dean wasn't going to kill Sam. I mean, yes, it was obvious to us at the time, because one of the two lead characters wasn't going to die (HA HA remember those days?), but it wasn't obvious to Dean. Well, it was obvious to Dean that he wouldn't kill Sam. But it wasn't obvious to Dean that it would never be an issue, that Sam would never go darkside. And if I remember my S2 right, Dean didn't come right out and say "you're not in danger of breaking bad." He just insisted that he would fix/save Sam. So for me, the tension was still there, and the warning didn't need to be retailored.
Anyway, in the context of B_L's fic I was saying that her emphasis on the part by bringing out these visions of Samifer, and by guiding John's obsession by making it in this fic very pointedly about trying to keep his son from that, and his trying to skirt the very full-frontal possibility of this 2014!verse alternate timeline, the fic gets back to that sentiment from the first half of S2 and reorients it in a way that I find useful in elaborating and rediscovering that particular thread of canon.
Yes, it is a good thing. I love the idea that John really knew what was in Sam's future, other than "he's going to be bad," and that he was specifically trying to prevent that.